For sure, I can only agree with you...For you maybe Bitwig grid stuff and modulation options has advantage for you. I'm more like the simple synth stuff like a good analog synth like Diva/Repro/Drift and good drums then i play my guitar rifs, play a bass loop on my bass guitar and then our singer will fill it with lyrics. Then i can do nearly everything with a good granular synth. I'm more like a preset surfer and look till i find the preset fits into the song.The things with Bitwig instruments is that they benefit REALLY from their integration in the DAW with in particular polyphonic modulations with the DAW and more importantly, voice stacking.The thing is i'm not a musician who can endlesly play with modulation slots. Polymer is not bad ofcourse, but i never reach for it somehow. The synths in Ableton win for me i'm not a fan of the grid at all i'm no sound designer i prefer hardwired synth tools. Drift is such a simple great sounding synth it is by far the best synth in ableton in my opinion.I don't see polymer lacking vs drift/wavetable or meld sound wise, some osc warp modulators in wavetable would be nice addition.
But everybody their own opinion ofcourse, in the end i reach evrytime for Bitwig as my main DAW. Recently i went back to Ableton to come to the conclusion that DAW wise Bitwig fits me better. You know for me Bitwig would cut it with simpler/sampler, Drift, Meld and Wavetable added together with Midi comping. Especially the slice/warp features in simpler are a masterpiece.
And for how long have the Bitwig community asked for midicomping and slicing in the sampler?
Bitwig has chosen to be flexible with the grid instead of hardwired synths so i suppose they will never build hardwired synths in future. Oh i forgot phase-4 i have tried but it gives me such a rudimentary results. I simply do not like the synths in Bitwig apart from sampler with its granular capabilities.
What Ableton instruments benefit from being ... inside Ableton ??? I am not too sure.
You guys seems more oriented to the technical side and sound design side.
Beside all the grid stuff and overkill of modulation Bitwig is still my prefered DAW i can add Diva/Repro/Pigments/Minifreak and EZdrummer as vst's and i can do litterally anything i wish for.
Apart from slicing with timewarpthere is no alternative VST for this.
What Ableton instruments benefit from being ... inside Ableton ??? I am not too sure.
Simplicity is what i need and directness with the instrument together with good sounds. And the Ableton synths in particular Drift give me that.
Ofcourse all their own opinions just wanted to point out that we do not all make electronic music and create our own sounds all the time. So Bitwig in my opinion should also look to the more traditional musicians and not only look to the tech savvy musicians.
there is no alternative VST for this.In particular, I really think that Bitwigi is almost unbeatable for electronic music. But if you are not into modulations (and definitely, nothing wrong about that mate), I agree it loses a lot of his interest.
I also agree that Bitwig should certainly try to have more features for more traditional musicians (but I would not know what they are hehe, even if I started music by being a guitarist and learned 10 years music theory).
I was referring to the integration with the DAW because as you said, most of the time it is easier to go find your favourite synth, Diva, Phase Plant, Falcon...
But I agree ,polymer is nice but not jaw dropping if you take out the modulations and voice stacking. I rarely go to it.
Statistics: Posted by Jac459 — Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:27 pm